Kirkby (Berry) Family Tree

About Tullythwaite House In Relation to Kirkbys:

Location:

See the 1858 Ordinance survey map for zoomable premises locations. ( https://maps.nls.uk/view/102347904 )

See 1858 map image of Tullythwaite House and surrounds. (image here)

Google maps location here - Tullythwaite House location on Google Maps

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Records for Tullythwaite - with variations on the name - have been found going back to 1300s. (see later notes)

Tullythwaite House dates from circa 1820 but the tannery is from the 1600s.

"Little Tullythwaite" is about 700 mtr walk south of Tullythwaite House and existed in at least 1743 according to our records, and probably a lot earlier. It was closer to the tannery and may have been a stay when working there before the House was built.

Tullythwaite Hall is about 50 mtrs south of Little Tullythwaite. Tullythwaite Hall was the property of Miles Bateman in 1600s and where the infamous Quaker George Fox visited. As far as we know, Kirkbys were not involved with ownership of the Hall at any time.

Note that Tranthwaite at some point also referred to Tullythwaite. First note of this is a 1548 mention of “lands and tenements in Underbarrowe, called Tullytwhate alias Trantwhate”.

Name confusion:

The following names are different locations within walking distance of each other: Tullythwaite, Tullythwaite House, Tullythwaite Garth, Tullythwaite Cottage, Little Tullythwaite, and Tullythwaite Hall.

In archive references it can be confusing which is being discussed, the Hall and House become easily mixed up, not to mention the many spelling variations. We assume it is the Hall unless "House" or "Little" is specifically added in the mention, or if we already know where the reference is for.

Kirkbys at Tullythwaite House:

Both George Kirkby (b.1708) and his son William (b.1745) referred to themselves as "of Little Tullythwaite". (this was in the time before Tullythwaite House was built)

Tullythwaite House was built circa 1820, though the tannery existed before it. (dated to 1636 according to - https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archsearch/record?titleId=2889163 )

(From the time Tullythwaite House was built circa 1820 to 1837, more research is needed to know who owned it, who built it, and who lived in it.)

George Kirkby (b.1784) - the son of William (b.1745) and grandson of George (b.1708) - was married to Mary Clark in 1834. They lived at Tullythwaite House from at least 1837 and though Mary died in 1838, George and his children were still there through the 1841 and 1851 Census. His occupation was listed as "Tanner" in some archives, and on the Census as "County Treasurer", he likely was both.

In 1835 George had his only son George, who later chose to become a Reverend rather than follow in the tannery or treasurer trade. Daughters Mary and Elizabeth were listed as "unmarried" and still living at Tullythwaite House in 1861 Census.

In 1854 a Mr Kirkby (could be George snr or jnr) took out an advert in Westmorland Gazette To Let the tannery (image here). It's known that the 1850 completion of Kendal Canal negatively impacted local businesses, and this likely influenced the decision to let it. Whether his son, George's, choice of career had an influence is not known, but George snr was getting on in years and died in 1860.

In 1860 - the year George snr (b.1784) died - Rev George jnr (b.1835) inherited Tullythwaite House and sometime before that had married his cousin Jane Mary, who was the daughter of Rev John Henry Kirkby (b.1780). But she had died by 1861 when on the Census Rev George puts "widower". This marriage was likely a way to help keep both High Cragg and Tullythwaite House in the Kirkby family lineage. A similar arrangement had been made for High Cragg between Rev John's son and their brother Henry's daughter for that property.

Rev George Kirkby (b.1835) - son of George (b.1784) - was head of household at Tullythwaite House on the 1861 Census record. His occupation was "B A without cure of souls" which meant he was ordained without a parish. This, and the lack of agricultural workers on the census, suggests they were no longer using the tannery.

The house allegedly stayed in the family at least to the 1920s when Elda Mary Kirkby, and possibly her sister Maud Elizabeth, were orphaned and seemingly were sent to live with their "Aunts" there. (Elda later built a house in South Africa and named it after "Tullythwaite" because she had loved it so much).

Confusingly, the 1871 Census has a Michael Rayne and family living at Tullythwaite House. The next 3 Census have not yet been located for the premises.

The 1911 Census has a John Ross and family living there. This is at odds with our records and needs further research as to why we have incorrect or confusing information. Presumably Kirkby daughters married into these family names at some point.

More research is needed to confirm when, why, and to whom it was sold. A family note suggests a family descendant "May? Ridley" was connected to "Tullythwaite" at a later date (see image).

About The Tannery

See 1858 map image of Tullythwaite House clearly shows location of the tannery to the south. (image here)

There is also a picture taken in the 1970s of the tannery pits - (image here)

“Tullythwaite Tannery lay beside the Tanyard Beck S of Tullythwaite House. There were two other buildings at NGR's: 347275 491380 and 347285 491375 and tanks to the W of the buildings at about 347260 491360 and 347275 491350. See the OS 6" 1st edition map of Westmorland sheet 38 (S1360) and the OS 25" 2nd edition map (S2833). Also see Hodgson's Map of Westmorland 1828 (S1218). Also recorded by M. Davies-Shiel on his 1990 map as a Fulling Mill, pre1636, and a Tannery. Tenter Banks to south east probably associated (S1286).”

Grid Reference: SD472913
Map Reference: [EPSG:27700] 347275, 491360

https://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=2889163&resourceID=801

also at

https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archsearch/record?titleId=2889163

Dated Archives on Tullythwaite:

(Note: This includes archives for the Hall and House, references are sometimes hard to determine.)

1326 - "Robert de Swynburn held at his death a messuage and 25 a. in Tillonthwayt in Kendale of William de Twenge for 1d. yearly; Thomas his son, aged 35, is his heir; ib., vi, 424." Taken from one of the 3 volumes listed here https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search/series/kendale-barony

1327-1377 - WESTMORELAND. Extent made at Kirkeby in Kendale, 24 April, 50 Edward III. (MDKB Note: probably 1327-1377) https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol14/pp51-69 - "Wattesfeld, Helsyngton, Astthwayt, Howys, Dubbys, Routheworth, Bolteston and Tyllowthwayt. A sixth part of a knight’s fee, held by Richard Kayrous and John del Chambre."

1373 - "By his deed (in French) Robert de Swynburne, chivaler, appointed John de Siggeswyke and Aleyn Forester of Yenwith, his attornies to deliver seisin to Henry de Threlkelde of the said Robert's lands and tenements, woods etc., called Tully thawayte in Kendale, according to the purport of a charter made with these presents; Reg. of D. at Levens." - Taken from one of the 3 volumes listed here https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search/series/kendale-barony

1373 - "By his deed dated at Tullythawite on Saturday next after the feast of St. Matthew the Apostle, 47 Edward III (24 September, 1373), Henry de Threlkeld granted to John de Bethome a messuage with land and meadow adjoining, within the parish of Kirkeby in Kendale, called Tullythawait, which the grantor has by the gift and grant of Robert de Swinburne, knt. Witnesses: James de Pikering, then sheriff of Westmerland, Thomas de Stirkeland, Matthew de Redman, knights; John de Wyndeshore, Richard de Preston, Roland de Thorneburgh, Richard de Levenes; ib" - Taken from one of the 3 volumes listed here https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search/series/kendale-barony

1399-1401 - Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry IV: Volume 1, 1399-1402 - https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/hen4/vol1/pp259-270 - "and Tyllowthwayt formerly held by Richard Kayroms and John del Chambre at 100 s." - (MDKB Note: this requires paying premium to see the rest of it)

1544 - "By deed dated 8 November, 36 Henry VIII (1544), Edward Bethom of Underbarro, gent., granted to Alan Bellyngham of Helsyngton, gent., a messuage called Tullytweyt with an orchard, garden, 2 a. meadow, 5 a. arable and pasture, then in the tenure of the said Edward Bethom; also a messuage with a garden, 1½ a. land in the occupation of Roger Bethom, and a messuage with a garden and 1½ a. land in the occupation of Robert Bethom, which two messuages are called Kyrbryddynge and Medowheade; also a messuage, 1 a. 3 r. land in the occupation of Christopher Bethome; 3½ a. land called Lynelanke, 1 a. of moreland called Calfperrocke in the tenure of Thomas Hallaye; 2 a. called Brumegarthe, 3 a. land called Lathbut, 3 a. land called Whytflatte in the tenure of Henry Batman; and other tenements therein described; D. at Levens." - Taken from one of the 3 volumes listed here https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search/series/kendale-barony

1548 - "By deed dated 22 November, 2 Edward VI (1548) Edward Bethom of Tullytwhate, gent., conveyed to Alan Bellyngham of Helsyngton, gent., his lands and tenements in Underbarrowe, called Tullytwhate alias Trantwhate; ib." - Taken from one of the 3 volumes listed here https://www.british-history.ac.uk/search/series/kendale-barony

1578 - Record of “Deed re premises at Tullythwaite, Underbarrow”

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/4bfbdf42-759e-4a8a-b2a0-349522dfb5a2

Deed re premises at Tullythwaite, Underbarrow
Reference: WD AG/Box 59/1
Title: Deed re premises at Tullythwaite, Underbarrow
Description: Tullithwaite Hall 1578.

Conveyance, 15 July 1578. 1578.
1. Robert Bethome of Tullythwayte, Underbarrow, husbandman.
2. Miles Bateman of Underbarrow, clothier.
Premises: messuage, tenement and farmhold with all appurts. being at Tullythwayte and called Tullythwayte Hall and all houses, buildings and gardens adjoining, and closes called The Parrock, The Kilne Howme, The Sowerbuttes and The Myer Meadow, of yearly rent 4s. 8d.
Consideration: £60.
Witnesses: Randal Bateman, William Bethome, William Bateman, Robert Buntinge.
Date: 1578
Held by: Cumbria Archive Centre, Kendal, not available at The National Archives

1635 - regards Miles Bateman of Tranthwaite and a Miles Bateman of Tullythwaite granting use to Robert Brigges, tanner and George Warde of Tranthwaite as well as his son Randall (Randulph?) Bateman, (Tranthwaite at that time might well have been Tullythwaite House area).

"So being seised the said Miles Bateman by his Indenture dated 22 December, 11 Charles I (1635) made between the said Miles Bateman of Tranthwaite, gentleman, of the one part and Miles Bateman of Tullithwaite, co. Westmorland, gentleman, Robert Brigges, of the same tanner, and George Warde of Kirkbie Kendall, yeoman, of the other part, enfeoffed the said Miles, Robert and George and their heirs of all the said premises. To have and to hold to them and their heirs to the use of said Miles, father of Randulph, for his life and after his death to use of said Randulph his son and heir and the heirs of his body lawfully to be begotten, in default of such to use of Thomas Bateman brother of said Miles and heirs of his body etc., for default of such to use of right heirs of said Miles for ever. By force of the Statute of uses Miles Bateman was seised of the premises for term of his life and after his death the said Randulph Bateman his son and heir long before and on the day of his death was seised of the premises in his demesne as of fee tail with remainders as above said and by reason of the minority of the said Randulph heir of Miles all the premises came to the king's hands and so remain as is said."

1636 - Issue regards Miles Bateman of Tranthwaite and a Miles Bateman of Tullythwaite. Relates to 1635 mention. Includes granting to Robert Brigges, tanner and George Warde of Tranthwaite as well as his son Randall Bateman who also has to pay his sister Katherine money for it, (Tranthwaite at that time might well have been Tullythwaite House area).

"Inquest taken at Kirkbie Kendall, 16 December, 12 Charles I (1636) before Henry Harrison, gentleman, escheator. The jurors say that: Miles Baitman, of Tranthwaite, gentleman, was seised of a capital messuage and tenement called Tranthwaite, 30 a. land, 10 a. meadow, 10 a. pasture thereto belonging; 9 messuages and tenements and 12 cottages in Tranthwaite in Underbarrowe and of 30 a. land, 6 a. meadow, 10 a. pasture thereto belonging in the occupation of customary tenants there; and also of a messuage and tenement, 4 a. land in Bradley Feild in the possession of Edward Backster, customary tenant there. So seised, Miles Baitman granted the said premises as follows: Indenture made 22 December, 11 Charles I (1635) between Miles Bateman of Tranthwaite, gentleman, of the one part and Miles Bateman of Tullithwaite, shearman, Robert Brigges of the same, tanner, and George Warde of Kirkbie Kendall, yeoman, which witnesses that Miles Bateman has granted to Bateman, Briggs and Warde the capital messuage and tenement in Underbarrowe called "Tranthwaite" and his said messuages, lands and tenements there, and all other his lands, tenements and grounds there, to the use of himself and his assigns for life and after his death to the use of Randall Bateman his son, and the issue of his body lawfully begotten, and in default to Thomas Bateman, brother of the said Myles and the issue of his body etc., and in default to the right heirs of the said Myles for ever, upon condition that Randall Bateman and his heirs shall pay to Katherine Bateman, daughter of said Miles and sister of said Randall, £200 when she is 21 years of age and £10 yearly in the mean time towards her maintenance, and in default of such payment, to Katherine's use till payment be made. Miles Bateman died 25 December last (1635)."

taken from the link https://www.british-history.ac.uk/kendale-barony/vol1/pp355-376

1671 - Mention of Tullithwayte: "Miles Bateman of Tullithwayte". (This is likely the infamous "unlawful" Quaker meeting held by Miles Bateman at the Hall)

In the vol 3 section on Underbarrow https://www.british-history.ac.uk/kendale-barony/vol3/pp166-169

"1671. 7 October. Memorandum that upon the 20th July, 22 Charles II, John Phillipson of Calfgarth, yeo. came before Robert Phillipson, esq., at Calfgarth and gave information upon proof of the oaths of witnesses that Christopher Birkett of Underbarrow and his wife, Henry Hewert and Mary his wife, John Pepper, Miles Halhead and Thomas Cowper all of the same, Miles Bateman of Tullithwayte, younger, and Miles Hubersty of the same, Richard Judson of Crooke, John Thompson, Geo. Thompson, Peter Bateman and Dorothy Bateman all of the same, Rob. Thompson of Milnebecke, Geo. Dodgson of Strickland Ketle, Jas. Dodgson and his wife, John Helme, Randle Williamson and Ellis Kitchin all of the same, Roger Bacchus of Kendall and Jas. Newby of the same, Thomas Grave of Hugill and his wife, Elizabeth Grave, widow, and Isabell Salkeld of the same, did each on 4 July last assemble and unlawfully congregate in the house of the said Christopher Birkett of Underbarrow with other evil doers and disturbers of the king's peace unknown to the number of forty persons besides the family of the said Christopher at the assemblage of a conventicle and gathering under colour and pretext of exercising religion otherwise than allowed by the Liturgy of the English Church and against the king's peace, his crown and dignity, and against the form of the Statute in such case made and provided, wherefore the said Christopher Birkett and the other evil doers are convicted, Christopher Birkett's fine £20, Miles Bateman's fine £20, for taking upon himself to (concionari) in the meeting and upon each other person five shillings for their consent, according to the form of the Statute, etc. (K. Indictment Book, 1669-1692). See also under Loughrigg."

1760 - Soldier puts Tullythwaite as his address

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/96770382-6e8d-4707-9a53-204fd1933957

Reference: R 506/70
Description: Name: Wilson, Edward
Address: Tullythwaite, Underbarrow, Kendal, Westmorland
Occupation: Soldier
Contents: administration bond,
Misc: PRIVATE IN THE SECOND TROOP OF HORSE GUARDS
Date: 1790 Jul 26
Held by: Lancashire Archives, not available at The National Archives

1763 - George Kirkby Will (likely the George b.1708):

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/bfe11e99-c922-4756-b91b-96051e032f63

Reference: R 499/6
Description: Name: Kirkby, George
Address: Tullithwaite, Underbarrow, Kendal, Westmorland
Occupation: Yeoman
Contents: will, administration bond
Date: 1763 Oct 15
Held by: Lancashire Archives, not available at The National Archives

1824 - Copy of Will of Bateman Backhouse:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/9a2568c4-6ca3-4fd2-b895-cba14c851cf2

Reference: DDX 112/64
Description: Copy of Will of Bateman Backhouse of Milton, co. Westmorland, gent:- estate at Milton in Preston Richard, estate called Tullithwaite Hall, Broom Garthend and Stone House in Underbarrow, moss on Heversham Moss, pew in Heversham Parish Church and all personal estate to wife Isabella; his real estate to go to his rightful heirs if she re-marry; 10 guineas to William Talbot of Hollins in Preston Patrick; £30 to man-servant Thomas Wallce, Execs. wife I., and W.T. Probate, estate under £9000. 21 Jan. 1822.

20 Jan. 1824.
Date: 1822-1824
Held by: Lancashire Archives, not available at The National Archives

1830 - Robert Willison (note a Willison is mentioned in our will regards High Cragg)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/de04c9db-0c75-406a-accf-15140fd37ea6

Reference: R 522/93
Description: Name: Willison, Robert
Address: Tullithwaite, Underbarrow, Kendal, Westmorland
Occupation: Husbandman
Contents: will
Date: 1830 Jul 10
Held by: Lancashire Archives, not available at The National Archives

1851 - Citation shows local people living in the Underbarrow area as well as Henry Kirkby and George Kirkby - book is available on google: "History, topography, and directory, of Westmorland; and of the hundreds of Lonsdale and Amounderness in Lancashire ... by Mannex & Co - 1851. Page 332"

1908 - Letters from Alexander Milne:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/91850695-2e5b-4c1b-8dac-be43582471fa

Reference: WD MM/Box 54/1/23
Description: Letters from Alexander Milne, 12 Lowther Street, Kendal to Miss Cartmell, Cartmell Fold, Crosthwaite about possible turbary rights on allotment of Tullithwaite Hall Estate October 1908.
With: copy of lease from Robert Fisher Thompson esq. of Arnside to Ormandy Hudson of Witherslack of Parks Farm in Underbarrow, 5 April 1905 copied by F M Cartmell, 3 November 1908.
Date: 1908
Held by: Cumbria Archive Centre, Kendal, not available at The National Archives

Needing Further Research:

https://archiveweb.cumbria.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=WDSO+126%2f7%2f2&pos=6

Kendal
Reference: WDSO 126/7/2
Title: Miscellaneous

Description: A ring binder with information on various properties in Underbarrow including Tullythwaite House and The Hagg, plus cuttings relating to 'The Mushroom' on Scout Scar

Date: 2000
Catalogue level: File


(Filed under: WDSO 126 - Underbarrow Women's Institute - 1923-2003; 7 - Scrap books and albums - 1968-2000 )